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I am so happy. I have finished transcribing my Kiley Dean interview I had over the telephone last month, and I must say you guys are in for a real treat. I got to ask a great deal of questions, as this was my first interview I’ve done that would actually be posted on the site. I have done interviews before, but they were just templates for my “Artist On the Rise” features, and most of them weren’t quite as in depth as this interview. A word of caution though, this interview is VERY long. If I was able to post the verbal interview, then it would take as long as a 20/20 interview. This is, however, the first and last time I will have to transcribe verbal conversation into print, due to me receiving a new recorder that can transfer your interviews to your computer, so for future interviews you will actually get to hear the whole interview on the site (divided into parts of course) .

For those of you who don’t know, Kiley Dean was signed to Beat Club/Interscope records under Timbaland in 2002 after being discovered as a back up singer for Britney Spears in 1999. She then went on to record her Debut album, Simple Girl, up until 2004, when she asked to be released from her contract due to various reasons. Not only that, the album she worked so hard to release ended up being shelved.  After these events, she went on to pursue her dreams through other means, which will be explained after the jump. Also, give me feedback, I want to improve on a couple of things, but it will be interesting to see what all of your responses are.

Kiley: I truly believe that everything is all about timing.

Lyrique: Exactly.

I look at artists like GaGa, I look artists like uh, Mariah, I look at artists like Fergie, Alicia Keys, Beyonce, I look at these artists and I see their paths and what it took for them and everything that happened to them and their music journeys, and I know that I have what takes to be exactly where I want to be as an artist.

Mmm Hmm.

But when I look at these girls stories it inspires me because they didn’t, you know, they didn’t get it when everybody else thought they would get it. They had to go through struggles, they were dropped and picked up by labels and this that and the other, and it’s crazy just um, when you look at what I’ve been through, I mean for a while it really upset me but I think now being 27 years old it’s only made me a stronger artist, and give me more of a drive. I think the reason I didn’t make it was definitely political, Everything was political, and I was kinda the first white girl to come out with a really soulful voice…

Yup.

… And before Fergie came out and did her thing this was… After Christina, I mean she had soul but she wasn’t going there, she was very pop. I was going there full force because that was my passion, it’s always been my passion, and always will be my passion, but it seemed like my executives wanted me to be that cookie cut “white girl” mold and I wanted to break that mold, and at that time they didn’t seem too comfortable with it so… they wanted to put circle through a square hole, and it just kinda how I felt for a long time and… Now I left Beat Club, left Music World, and I actually went back singing for Madonna, I toured with her for the past year and um… workin with her I think kinda got me to another level as an artist. She is like the ultimate dream of what I want to become as an artist because she didn’t make until she was my age and she went through all the stuff I went through, the pain and the struggle, I mean I learned so much from her. Now my focus is writing and starting again, not over, but turning over a new leaf and really becoming a singer/songwriter. I always wrote, but I was never serious about, and now it’s something I’m really serious about, so that’s what’s changed since Music World.

Okay now that does definitely makes sense because, when I read that you were signed to Music World I was thinking “Oh No.. she…she signed with them.” (laughs) Because usually…

Yeah Matthew Knowles is no joke boy I’m not even… you know.

Yeah he will seriously support what he thinks will sell.

Yeah.

And just like you said, um, you didn’t want to break into the mold as a pop girl, you wanted to be more than that, and for any labels that does scream “OMG how are we gonna market this person?” and when I listen to your music I’m like “how could you NOT market this person?” she seriously…

I am my own best market like the fact that I’m white girl that has a soulful voice. That in itself is marketable, you know what I mean? People just over think everything, and that’s the frustration about being an artist, they don’t allow you to BE an ARTIST.

EXACTLY! It’s a machine basically. Like..

It’s a machine.

Yeah it’s a machine. Perfect example of this, I was watching some um, vintage footage of Lady GaGa back in 2005…

Mmm hmm.

…when she was till know as Stefani Germanotta, and the girl had serio…, well she still does, but she had serious pipes, and she had a Nora Jones feel to her, and then after things started changing up, and she started going with the Lady GaGa and the Starlight’s theme, things changed. I believed that it is part of her personality, but as far as her initial sound, they are two totally different pictures.

Yeah it’s incredible.

It’s really weird, and I really get frustrated when I hear artists who really try to stick with what they believe in and what they want to accomplish as an artist, but they either sell out, or they don’t get the promotion or representation that they need because they don’t fit into that machine.

Mm Hmm. And that’s the thing. I truly believe in my heart if you are passionate enough and you are willing to sacrifice and you stick with it, and you are GOOD, and you love what you do and you are good at it what you do, your time will come.

Exactly.

That’s my true belief, I put my faith in God I know, I was honestly ready to walk away from the industry ’cus  I really am over, well I was at the time, ’cus you can get a little bitter.

Yeah.

That’s your heart crying.

I know.

It’s sadness, it wasn’t hate filled, and I was hurt. This industry has HURT ME. But, so do your love ones, you always go back to them, you go back to what you love the most. And this is the only thing that I know. This is the thing I have passion about. It something I want to do for the rest of my life. This Is It. So, excuse me, when I think about all the pain and struggles, you know, I think it’s all part of a painting, it’s all part of a bigger picture, I can feel it, I just can’t see it yet because it’s not finished.

Exactly, and I definitely relate you in some ways because I started out as a singer/songwriter as well. Where I’m from I didn’t have an outlet for me to go and record a couple of tracks and get a demo done and stuff. I got into competitions, but I didn’t have the outlet to really be ready. So although I had a voice and had means to get my voice heard, It wasn’t broad enough. When I started getting into blogging and journalism, I always had music as my first love, so I automatically knew that, I wanted to be a journalist, but my calling is music. How do I both?

Yeah.

And so that’s how I started interviewing artists like yourself and… (laughs)

Ohh. That’s great.

It’s become a home for me. Like you just said, there is no way you can get away it even if it beats you down, bus believe I’ve been beat down to, um people hatin saying you wont be nothing. And when I started interviewing other artists hearing their stories, it was almost like yours, it’s like…wow there is another world of artists who are so talented and deserve to be on top rather than this manufactured artists. It’s so saddening because it is like hearing my story over and over and over again.

And that’s what so great about it, I know I’ve been put through the ringer in my industry, but you know what? I have a story and I want people that relate to this, I’m not one of these children that get on a show and get famous for 5 minutes.

Right.

No I struggled and I have a story, but that’s okay cus that’s theirs I would never take that away from them. But people they respect a story, they feel a story, they understand a story, they understand struggle, we all have them.

Yes.

And this is my struggle, it’s like being hungry, I haven’t really been able to eat for a few years because when I’m not performing I’m starving. I feel like “I need to go eat” and that is the stage.  I have to be nourished and thats the stage, that’s writing, that’s doing what I love.

Yup.

That’s how passionate I am with that. And I know that one day my time will come, it’s above believing. I know It.

I know it too. I hear it. Each time you sing a song, I hear it. That’s what matters to me. When I listen to a song like “Convince Me” I’m like “she is literally crying out why isn’t this happening?” When I listen to the lyrics I’m like “seriously why hasn’t it happened?” Especially when you started breaking it down, you could hear the crying of a heart it was like ringing a bell.

And that’s what I appreciate you hearing because I believe that’s what sets me apart from other artists. I think Mariah has that, Mary J. has that, not a lot of artists have that especially today, and like I said I don’t want to take away what people have, because no matter how great or non great, we can sit her and hate all day, but it is what it is, they are there for a reason, I’m glad they got the chance. But, I truly feel that’s what sets me apart, there’s 2 things, my tone and my voice, and the passion I have. Very few people HAVE THAT.

Yeah, it’s very distinct.

You know it, and you feel it, I can say that about my voice. I think that’s just comes with what I’ve been through.

Because you have a story behind it. It makes everything so much stronger. But let’s start getting into the Q&A questions cus this is going to get into the meat of everything I want to explore with you.

Okay.

Alright so my first question is “When did you know that you wanted to be a musician?”

Um I wanted to sing ever since I could talk which was 2.

Same here. That is so weird.

I don’t remember it, but my mom was like “Kiley That’s what you told us, as soon as you could talk you were singing.

Yup same here. I also read that you were started out at Disney World and you were discovered there. At the time…

You know what? I don’t understand where people got that. I have no idea where they got that. I was not discovered there.

You didn’t?

I read that in interviews and I’m like who… where did they get that!?

(Laughs hysterically)

I was discovered in church.

Oh… Okay I will right that down. (Laughs) cus yeah I keep reading that .

I mean come on, that is from like way back in the day, I do not know where that came from.

Wow. Somebody has been falsifying their work.

Yea, I don’t even know where that was from. Um, I actually was discovered in church, but I would sing at Disney World in like middle and high school, but I definitely was not discovered there.

Oh okay I would see how somebody would get that twisted.

I want you to have the real story okay?

Okay cool, that’s real cool (laughs)

I mean the stuff that is the bomb. (laughs)

Okay here is the next question.. Who influenced you, and what would you say your musical style is?

Okay so I call them my fabulous 5. Anita Baker, Taylor Dane, Whitney Houston, Sade and Mariah Carey.

Okay, I can hear three of them, I hear Anita, Mariah and Whitney, I don’t know about the other 2, but that’s good that you are influenced by Sade because she is so different, and so mellow.

She was a huge influence, she was that white girl who can sing. She’s amazing,

Yeah she is like a painkiller, like whatever pain you’re going through she like subsides it, like if you listen to “Taboo” it’s like a warm sauna.

Yeah she is amazing.

She really is. What was going through your head when you found you were being signed to Timbaland’s label, what was it called Beat Management?

No, it was Beat Club and now it’s Mosely Music or something. Um, I was excited, I have been working for Tim for a while, so I was excited to be signed to a music label which was Interscope so I was like Oh My God! I didn’t know the ins and outs of the political ridiculousness that comes with the music, it becomes a job, that’s what it was, But it I still, it was such a great time in my life, it was my first album, I was ready, I just wanted to win and sing. I’ve learned a lot more since that time.

Right and the name of the first album was called (in unison) Simple Girl.

There was only two singles released for that, unfortunately.

Yeah I heard the first single “Make Me A Song” which I liked, and I heard some Aaliyah lyrics in there “Rock The Boat” and stuff. Where you influenced by her around that time?

Excuse me?

Where you influenced by Aaliyah?

Oh totally, I loved her to death, but never got to meet her.

You never got to, I was gonna ask about that.

She actually died before I was signed to Beat Club.

Seriously?

She died the year before I got signed, I would have loved to meet her, I adored her.

That’s so sad, cus I’m thinking… I could literally hear the song “Rock The Boat” “Something Like Missy Wrote”  or something like that. I was like she is obviously influenced by her, but know knowing that you didn’t get to meet her, I think it would have been so great for you, and most of my family was fans, and we were struck so hard because it was so sudden.

Oh I was devastated.

Yeah it was very devastating. So when you got signed to the label, what did you have to combat, was it publicity, Legality or Contractual issues?

You mean what kept my album from coming out?

Yeah.

Um, (sighs) this is gross and I don’t like talking about it, but in true honesty, it was him, I was in a war between both Tim and Jimmy, and Tim wanted me to be the new “White Whitney Houston.” And I wanted to be Kiley.

So it was a marketing issue?

I just wanted to be me, I just wanted to put out my album and start my career, it’s something that I adored and loved. That was hard, in 2004, I knew this wasn’t going to work, so we asked for a release, but little did we know that it was going to be a tough time to be signed after being signed by Jimmy, he was the best.

So how long were you signed to beat club?

I was signed with beat club for 2 ½ years.

2 ½ years? Were you working on the album the entire time, or was it on and off.

(Call dropped accidentally.)

Hello? Oh no.

… so about 10 minutes later…

So we left off at the part where you were in a marketing battle, and I asked about you working on the album the entire time you were signed with beat club.

Uh Yeah.

You did?

Yeah.

Man that would have been a great album (laughs)

Yeah I know man.

So 2 ½ years you were working on the album, and then you decided to opt out of the label. What was your next move?

In 2002 we started working on the album, in 2003 was when it was supposed to be put out but never was put out because of oh whatever. Okay so what did you just ask?

Huh?

I’m sorry what did you just ask?

I was gonna ask… oh crap, now I forgot what I asked. (laughs) It will come back to me later that’s how it always works, but I’ll just move on to the next question.

Works the same way.

Yeah. (Laughs) So when I was watching the “Make Me A Song” video I saw that you were huggin up on brandy like BFFs, and I happen to know that she helped write some of your material. How close are you to brandy. Do you guys still keep in touch?

No not really, at the time we were just working together a lot, because she was married to Big Bert (Robert Smith) he worked on my album a lot. And that’s when we became friends, kinda like work colleagues. And she was really sweet, and she actually taught me a lot just working with her, so her being in my video was just a cameo, I didn’t have anything to do with that.

Oh.

But working with her that was great it was fun, she taught me a lot, I actually give her credit, when I was in the studio with her, she taught me how to harmonize.

That’s what she is known for.

If you listen to a Brandy record, if you listen to her harmonies, they meld a lot, so she taught me how to do that. I think she is a brilliant brilliant artist.

Yeah, just listening to her stuff, she taught me how to train my ears to listen to what goes into a song. You hear so many counter harmonies. Like her version of escape. I heard so many harmonies, and it felt so symphonic, like a symphonic orchestra. It’s so intuitive, and you got to have a good ear to catch it all.

Right.

Here is my next question. Both of you had versions of “Escape” I heard them both and they are fantastic, did she.. I think I read somewhere that the song was a cover but I’m not sure, and I also read that she wrote the song, but I heard it was a cover so how does that work it. Did she write it for you, or was it indeed a cover?

This was not really a cover because Brandy and Blake English wrote it together, and Brandy cut it, and  I don’t really think it was even a song that she… you know when you’re a writer, especially with a producer husband, you write, you just write songs, and that’s the beauty of it because when you do that other artists are like “Oh My God I want this song” and If I remember correctly she cut the song because her and Blake wrote it and then I did it.

Oh okay, well they are both great. (Laughs)

Yeah I love it, it was so beautiful.

Yeah, it’s the meaning of the song, it’s literally an escape, and I what I particularly like about yours is towards the end, you really started getting into it. Especially as far as putting out your distinctive voice. Like in the beginning you started out on the same vibe, and then you get to the bridge and I’m like “oh shoot she finna kill it” (laughs) and you did.

Aww thank you. I’m glad that came across. That’s another really great song.

Yeah it’s dope. I play it on my Mp3 all the time, especially when you’re just mad at the world you know? It’s one of those type of  songs.

Yeah.

Another song I really enjoyed from you is “Convince Me.” I understand the song was about you getting your foot in the door into mainstream music. What were all the steps you were trying to take after you left beat club, and was this one of the songs that was recorded for the “Changes” album?

Yes, actually, once I got of Interscope and realized that people was apprehensive of re-signing me, I just was like… well me and my manager we had to figure out another route, another way to get it because this was the only thing I have ever known. So we actually had an investor, another record label, a really small record label sign me at the time,  and I didn’t really sign to the label, but I went and I asked the people to help me and to get a few songs for me, and this is one of them, and I know on that album particularly, we never really finished, It was finished, but it wasn’t finished like we wanted it to be, um, but if you hear that song or the album, it is a lot darker because that’s where I was in my life, it was a lot like, “am I doing what I am supposed to be doing, because everywhere I go, all the doors was being closed.” Just convinced me I’m not being ignored, you know? Convince me I am supposed to be here.

Right.

That was also… “Who I Am” was on that record, and that was the record I made on Music World, and clearly I didn’t stick with Music World, so that record didn’t come out either unfortunately.

Man that sucks cus I was listening to tracks like “Rain” and Tug of War”

Both are great albums. They were amazing.

Yeah. I was listening to “Rain” and “Tug Of War” and they sounded so organic and it just sounded so.. Especially on “Rain” you just poured… no pun intended but the way you just poured on the track. I was like “OMG” Was that supposed to be on the album as well?

Yes.

Man MAN I would have loved to hear that record. If it was anything like that I would have loved to heard it… Hear it (Laughs)

You never know, there are songs that artists pull out that they wrote when they were 13 years old like “Careless Whisper,” I mean, don’t quote me, but I read somewhere that George Michael wrote Careless Whisper  when he was way young on a school bus. So, I think the songs granted a lot of my fan base means of hearing it, but I don’t see why Simple Girl couldn’t be released some day. I don’t.

Yeah, I was looking around and found some things, but I never got any confirmation whether the album was released or not because, you know, albums leak all the time. And um… not to say I would get a leaked album from you, I would never do that don’t worry about that (laughs) um, I was looking around and I was on Artist Direct, this when I first got into you by the way, um, I was looking for this artist “Kiley Dean Kiley Dean I have to look her up.” I saw two single discs, one said Simple Girl, and I forgot what the other one was for, but I saw they were from early 2000’s how come there is no album? I started looking around and I saw that it was unreleased and I’m like “Why is this unreleased?”(Laughs)

Aww.

Yeah, after I heard those songs, I said okay I have to find, and when I couldn’t I said “No I wanna hear it!”

Aww.

I usually look for albums I never got to listen to and download them, and If I love it, I will buy it immediate, I don’t care how much it costs (laughs) but I couldn’t find anything, so I was like “So how am I supposed to hear more of Kiley?”

Aww thank you.

Your very welcome. Next question, I don’t know if you can remember any of them or not, but what were some of the songs that you would have love people to hear if both albums were released right now?

Tug of War was one of my favorites.

Mine too.

What was another song? There was this one song… Kiss Me Like That. That was released on the B side of the single. I truly love…that’s why when you do an album that is your baby because you truly adore… every… you put so much passion into it, when it doesn’t come out… you can imagine what I felt its like… working on building a house or having a baby or something… well you can’t compare that to a life.

(Laughs)

The utmost dream in your life, it’s like having it in your mouth, but you have to spit it out.

Exactly. And…

I was heart broking not once but twice. You know? I have never been more hurt than I was when Simple Girl didn’t get released. That was the worst, I never saw that coming, you know… just devastated. If I think about it long enough I still will get upset, I’ll still get tears in my eyes because that’s how serious it is to me. How far I’ve come, but like I said you know… it’s about timing. And I haven’t given up, and my fans haven’t given up.

Yeah, like who can say they have sung back up for Britney Spears and Madonna? No one can say that.

And God, like I said, God always has provided, just when I was about to walk away, when I thought about walking away, God gave me this opportunity to go sing for Madonna, and that re-inspired me as an artist, and I never left, I just picked everything back up, I just got off tour in September, and it’s you know, picking myself back up, and starting over again.

Yeah and that’s why I was so surprised when you said you’d love to do the interview, because I think I sent the message way back in …May and then when I checked my mail because I check it regularly, it said I got a message from Kiley on Myspace. And I was “could this, it can’t, is it.” and then I read and I was like “OH MY GOD!”

Thank you, that is so sweet, absolutely. Anytime.

Oh really thank you. I remember going through the same process with another artist, and he/she said that she was interested. I tried setting something up, but I never got a reply back. So when I sent one to you, I was thinking the same thing was gonna happen, it definitely helped remind me that things in this industry takes a long time.

Oh I’m sorry. I didn’t even know. I haven’t been keeping up with my space.  I just fell off for a bit, but I am trying to get back on it. That is my apology, I did not mean to keep you hanging.

Oh I already know its okay, I already know that half of the music pages are made by the artist’s managers anyway so I wasn’t trippin, but I did really want to do the interview. (Laughs) Alright next question. So when you were signed to Music World in, correct me if I’m wrong was it 2007?

Yes.

Okay. 2007 you were signed. They said you were making an album, but there were no details enclosed, only that Timbaland would be producing on the album, Um, is there anything you would like to talk about during that period of time or is that too…

Yeah. The fact that we didn’t do anything, there was no recording, nothing, one photoshoot. I pretty much came to them with the “Changes” album. And they were like “How Cool” so I did the work,  but they didn’t do anything.

So you were planning to release Changes through Music World?

Yeah. They didn’t know that though, they were clueless.

Oh (Laughs) That’s funny. So from what I hear you were caught in limbo?

Yeah, but you know they were really nice about letting me go, so there were no hard feelings, we were jut not a match.

(Laughs) Yea I can definitely see that. I heard of a lot of artists who were signed to that label so I was like “Uh Uh she does not deserve to be put with them!”

It just was not a match. It wasn’t that kind of label.

Yea, the only artist they care about is Beyonce. That’s all I hear so I was panicking. I read that Timbaland was supposed to work with you so is that not true then?

Excuse me?

I heard that Timbaland was going to be working on that album so that’s not true?

On Changes?

Yeah the album you were gonna work on for…

Yeah that’s not true.

Okay, I will make sure that gets out. So you just said that you got off the “Sticky & Sweet” tour, what was that experience like for you, being able to sung back up for Madonna.

Well like I said before, I wasn’t feeling.. I wasn’t sure were I belonged, I know where I belong and that’s in this industry, on stage and performing for people. I know that, but I was so beaten down and pushed down by that same industry, that I wasn’t sure if I was supposed to be there anymore. And I soon as I got the call, and it’s such a God thing because I was done, I was walking away… I mean, no one in their right mind would even know to call me. Well, actually to make a long story short, I was packing, leaving L.A, and I get a phone call from Britney Spears’ old music director, back in 1999 when I worked with her.

You mean back when she first came out, like “Hit Me Baby one more time” ‘99.

Yes, he called me ten years later and said, “Kiley you popped into my head, I was wondering if you can come and audition,” and I got the job.

Okay yeah that is um… definitely a godsend.

Yea, so I got the job, long story short, went on tour with her for over a year, she is the most amazing… most… hardworking… one of the most influential people I ever met. I mean she became somebody that completely transpired me to do what I want and it doesn’t matter what other people say or think, you have to get it because it belongs to you.

Yeah, definitely.

And I look at her and see how hard that she pushed, and everything that she is as an artist. I know people disagree with a lot of the things she is or says, but I see her now as more than just an artist, and I respect.

And that’s going to look really good on your resume too. You know?

Yeah. (laughs)

Most people will say “Oh I did a couple of fashion shows, um I did a couple performances on some underground news show” or something like that. You get to say “I performed with Madonna” (laughs) Not to many people get say that.

Yeah, I feel blessed, I am blessed.

Yup, definitely are.

Here are a couple of fun questions. Now you get to take a break and get to heal some wounds. In you free time, what do you listen to a lot? What just gets you goin?

I know I say this a lot, he just put out a new album. Jay-Z inspires me all across the board, as a writer, the way that he writes, I don’t care if you’re a singer, a rapper, a jazz artist, you kinda have to respect the way that he writes his music, and what he says, and how he says it so eloquently, he’s amazing. That’s who keeps me going.

Now wait… did you say Michael Jackson?

No I said Jay-Z.

Oh Jay-Z, oh okay. I was about to say “wait MJ…?” At first I thought you said KC, and I’m like “from N’sync” and then I said no she said MJ, but nope that’s not it either (laughs hysterically)

no no no.

Yeah Jay-Z especially from reasonable doubt, definitely one of the greatest rappers, you have to respect him, obviously not only because he went from gutter to glitter, you know, but still, the dude has flow like you wouldn’t believe, so I definitely understand where your coming from.

Hello?

No definitely. I mean, I listened to his album this time around, and I’m thinking “what does he have to say?” Because he has said everything, and I’m like Oh My God. I love him.

Yeah he is still trucking. That’s something I will give him any day. He is still working. If there was any person in the music industry you would want to work with, whom would it be and why?

Um… I have to think about that… probably… I don’t know.

(laughs) Maybe me… I’m just playing.

No, I’m like, I don’t know, I have no clue, maybe, I would wanna work with someone new, I feel that everyone deserves a chance, and I would love to work with someone new.

Yeah, I definitely heard that response a lot, which is a really good thing.

I really think a lot of people… maybe even an oldie producer or artist, but I would love to work with someone up and coming, someone that has the passion, someone who really isn’t affected by this industry. The industry is really crap right now.

Yeah it really is.

Yeah it is.

It’s like when your new, the passion is still there, about 4 years down the line, you start to get full of yourself. I’m not naming names, but he/she will be the sweetest little button, and then 4 years later, they get an attitude because you ask them to sign your autograph.

Oh yea, it’s horrible.

Yeah, I know some people in the industry, and you wouldn’t believe how many people that I’ve asked about, and they tell me that they are really stuck up and arrogant.

Yeah.

So I’m like…??? I usually ask about people I really really like to, so, when I hear that, I’m like “are you serious?”

Yeah it’s discouraging.

It is.

It’s really really discouraging.

Yeah, cus I listen to a lot of music, that’s my air you know. So when I hear that the person that I am supporting really doesn’t deserve it, it really makes me angry.

Yeah, I know, I am the same way.

Here is a really quick question, what was your take on the Kanye/Taylor Swift fiasco?

Oh, I think he is a complete arrogant… I think he is worst enemy, that’s all I will say.

Yup, that’s all from me too.

Yeah he is his own worst enemy, and if he has a demise, it will all be his own self. Clearly.

Yeah, this is for any person I will say this, She is barely an adult, and that was her first major…

It’s not even her, honestly, it was all him. She was just an innocent bystander. It had nothing to do with her. You know, I don’t even listen to her music, I just think she is a sweet girl, and I felt bad for her. But he made such a fool of himself, that was so him. All him.

Yeah it was, you should listen to her stuff though, she has some really good stuff, I think you would be inspired by her.

I actually did a show with her about a year ago, with Timbaland, I met her and I think she has great music, I just don’t listen to country all that much, I don’t go out and by country albums, I’m from the country so… I can’t hate on it.

Yeah, I can’t hate on it either, but I have an appreciation from all music, you know? I wouldn’t go out and by Keith urban at a drop of a dime, so I know what you mean. So here is my next question, I know you mentioned God, but what is that keeps you going after everything that has happened so far?

My passion, my true passion. I mean if you don’t have passion for something anymore, I mean if you don’t love it, you won’t do it.

I feel you, I’ve heard that so many times. Okay, so here is my last question, I always ask this question because I think it is so inspiring. If you could say something to anyone who is in your shoes in the industry, what would you say?

Hang in there. Don’t quit don’t stop, and like I told you, if it is meant to be, if it is your destiny, it is already yours.

That’s true.

I mean you know, there are some people who want it really badly but may not have the talent, you know, but half of those people are on the radio.

I KNOW!

Half of them feeding us this music are those, but they wanted it so bad, that look where they are.

True.

So that’s my thing, stick with it, if it’s meant to be, and you have it in you, you will have it, and it will be yours. I mean that from the bottom of my heart.

Yeah that is a true statement.

Especially if it is you destiny, if it’s yours it yours, nobody can take it.

Yup.

I feel mine is, It’s from God, and if I’m gonna have it, I’m gonna have it, if it’s mine it’s mine, and nobody can have it cus it’s mine.

Exactly. And another thing some people don’t think about is that, well like you said, if it’s your it’s yours, but sometimes you have to go through a little bit of growth to get where you need to go.

OH TOTALLY! You have to go with the pain. (Laughs)

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